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Last Post 06-11-2012 9:57 AM by  Ann Conway
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31-01-2012 11:44 AM

    Hey Everyone,

    OK, for most of you, this post won't make a lot of sense and you probably don't care, but for some the question of how many members Birdline has, is causing much confusion, despite the Birdline leadership explaining things.

    So, I will try and explain how it works and why, even though it looks like we have 3800+ members, we actually don't. The confusion appears to have been started by a small indicator on the bottom of the forum page..








    The indicator there shows 3815 Members. What you don't realise is this is Forum Members not Birdline Members. I think people also seem to think that because their membership number is 3815 for example, there must be 3815 other members. This is also not true... I'll explain.

    Every time someone registers on the website, they are given a unique UserID. There is one userid given to each and every person that registers on the website. I don't mean join Birdline, I mean just register an account on the website.

    If we look at a test user in our admin panel, you will see the UserID clearly noted.


     

     

     

     

     

     

     
     


    You can also see the userID when you login to your account on the User Home Page. Feel free to create a dummy account and check.. you'll see your assigned a UserID and the number of forum members will go up by 1. At the time of writting this, if you registered, you'd get UserID 3816. You'll also notice that if you logout and create another account, you'll get the next number up.

    Note the UserID when you login. Non members will notice they also have a UserID.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


     

     

    At this point the user has NOT joined Birdline. They have simply registered an account. This allows them access to the non member areas of the website and the ability to post on the forums (you have to register an account to be able to post on the forums). You can tell these users when the post on the forums because they have "Registered User" under their name instead of "Birdline Member". And because these users have an account and they are using the forums, they are considered Forum Members, this does not mean they are Birdline Members.

    Now when we designed the membership card, we didn't want to have to modify the database to incluse an ascending membership number. Although possible, at the time it would have been a lot of work for minimul return. So, we decided to use the UserID as the Membership ID. Now, this doesn't mean that because you have a UserID your a member.. it just means that a Birdline Members member ID is their UserID.

    So what makes someone a member of Birdline. Well, that's handled by the payment processor. When you go through the "Join Birdline" process, once you have paid, Paypal send a notification to the website, that then adds the "Birdline Member" role to your account. This role allows you access to the member parts of the website.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Notice that the role has an effective date and an expiry date. This is what decides if your a Birdline Member or not, NOT the userID. The UserID/MembershipNumber is just an ascending unique number. Now when the user logs in, they still have the same UserID, but they also have an extra bit..


     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



     


    Notice that they still have the same userID but now have the Membership status. Also note, that when a users membership expires, they will still have a UserID. We loose around 45-50% of our members each year. Most join just to support us and never rejoin, but they userid is still used.

    So, I can't really explain this any other way without going into relational databases, DotNetNuke, ASP.Net and other web based technologies. Unfortunately it's not something that is easy to explain, but needless to say if for example we needed to defend our position in a court of law, a court appointed professional would be easily able to assertain that this is how it works.

    I sincerely hope that this puts an end to the debate about our membership numbers. Unfortunately I cannot easily show you how many members we have without breaking data protection laws, and I don't think any of you want that.

    Any questions?

     

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    31-01-2012 12:02 PM
    Thanks for taking the time to explain Marc, you will always have loads more forum members than paying members, and i'll bet a good 20%+ have never been back since becoming forum only members. An emigration forum i was a moderator on had well over 4000 members but only about 70 actually posted anything.
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    31-01-2012 12:14 PM
    Poor Marc having to spend his very precious time having to explain this when it has already been explained quite adequately on previous posts.

    Birdline is about the birds. I do hope you idiots out there hell bent on making trouble realise just how many hours of everyones time you have wasted with your stupid personal vendettas. Valuable time that should have been spent helping birds. Morons.
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    31-01-2012 12:47 PM

    Sharon I thought the same - poor Marc having to explain this. Lets hope this detailed explanation puts an end to it so that everyones efforts goes into helping the birds.

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    31-01-2012 12:58 PM
    Personally, I was looking forward to a bit of " relational databases, DotNetNuke, ASP.Net and other web based technologies."

    Not that I needed an explanation but thanks for going to the trouble Marc.
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    31-01-2012 1:42 PM
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    31-01-2012 1:58 PM
    Thank you so much for that very detailed explanation Marc. I really appreciate it myself as i am sick of trying to explain it over and over on the 0845 number.
    No need to waste my breath now. Thanks a million.
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    31-01-2012 2:06 PM
    Marc I know others have said it in this thread. But a big thanks for your time spent in posting this. This has taken up some of Marc's valuable time, when I for one know he would rather be working on other issues and solutions to make life easier for everyone.

    Anyway cheers Marc. I don't really think its worth commenting any further on the issue.

    I would like to say however that my pc is behaving very strangely today, Suzanne was round here earlier and I think she has spooked it!!!! and finally I have had a Senegal poking about in my ear all evening (very strange feeling). Sharon L reckons I have pulled!!!
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    31-01-2012 2:15 PM
    Thanks so much Marc

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    31-01-2012 2:25 PM

    Thanks Marc for taking the time to explain the way the numbering works. You have made it so clear, you would have to be a total numb nut not to get it

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    06-11-2012 9:57 AM
    Here you go Vicky. I believe this is the post you were trying to find.
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