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Last Post 30-12-2012 12:53 PM by  Helen W
Emergency - Door Accident
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25-12-2012 10:04 AM
    Hi all,
    Ive just had a terrible accident with Raiden. In short he got caught in a closing door and looks dazed and is falling forward when he tries to walk.
    He has taken flight and is able to do so, his wings appear to be ok, his legs appear to be articulating normally (not broken), and he is breathing ok and is able to hang on with his beak to the cage bars.
    I *think* the area between the sternum and beak may be sticking out, but Ive never been able to handle him so dont know what this area feels like normally

    Apart from falling/lying forward, he is very subdued and docile - he would never let me handle him normally, let alone check his wings etc. He is confined for now in case he tries to fly again.

    Im thinking its concussion from the door rather than a crush injury, does that sound reasonable ? I take this to be an emergency vet issue (I dont want to stress him unnecessarily) ?

    My vet is shut today and tomorrow so it will have to be the emergency vets and I have no idea what they are like with birds. If concussion I would expect a steroid shot.
    Is there anything else I should be considering here ?

    Background to this is he was becoming aggressive in the kitchen and so the past few days has been barred from there. I was going through to check on xmas dinner and closed the door behind me only to see his head come through as I closed the last inch of the opening. I couldnt believe it, didnt even hear him coming and so I ran back through to find him as he is now.

    Any help or advice much appreciated, my poor boy, what was I/he thinking
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    25-12-2012 10:28 AM
    Google 'Avian vets in Glasgow' and see if there's one within reach of you. Keep him in the cage, quiet and warm. If he was mine, we'd be on the way to the nearest available avian vet. This kind of accident is more common than you think, but best thing is to make sure Raiden's ok.
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    25-12-2012 10:29 AM
    Can you find an avian vet to talk to? tell him whats happened? Though they will probably say bring him in!

    Poor Raiden! Keep monitoring him and find someone to talk too!
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    25-12-2012 11:10 AM
    Thanks for replying (today of all days !)
    My nearest avian vet is the Alistair Lawrie clinic which is 45 minutes drive away. I just phoned them and spoke to the vet there, told her what happened and what I had chekced and she seemed comfortable that it was likely a concussion. She said to pop him in his carrier, cover him over and set him down somewhere quiet and monitor him for the next hour or two. If he's not brightening up in a couple of hours to call back and possibly bring him in.
    Likewise she felt the 45minute drive might just cause more stress than is good, especially if his balance is off, makes sense.

    So for now the wee guy is in the carrier as instructed and I'll monitor him closely tonight/tomorrow. In fact, in the time its taken me to make the carrier comfy and safe for him he seems to be brightening up a little. I was still able to lift him, but he was more aware of what was happening and didnt seem as off balance... hopefully he'll continue to pick up as the evening goes on.

    Thanks again so much for the replies, I'll post again later on how he is doing.
    Otherwise, of course, Merry Christmas
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    25-12-2012 11:54 AM
    Poor raiden, fingers crossed for you that he is ok xxx
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    25-12-2012 12:04 PM
    I feel for you but can't add to the advice of a vet, I'm sorry. I hope the little boy picks up and gets over this accident. And remember, it was an accident, don't blame yourself for this.

    Please keep us posted on his progress. Sending healing thoughts your way x
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    25-12-2012 2:17 PM

    That's good advice Doug and it's all really you can do.

    Sounds not as ominous though if he seems a bit brighter!

    fingers crossed he's back to biting soon, that'll mean he's on the mend!

    Hope the rest of your christmas is not as worrying as it was........though we never stop worrying about our chickies do we??????

    How's he doing now?

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    25-12-2012 4:59 PM
    Sadly Raiden has taken a turn for the worse. He was actually looking brighter and so I offered him some water, he took three good mouthfuls which I was pleased about and then he suddenly coughed up blood !
    Straight to the ooh vet. That was at 930.
    She gave him baytril and metacam and they are keeping him in on oxygen and incubator overnight. Likely there has been crop damage after all my poor boy.
    Once he's more stable, ie tomorrow or thursday they will probably do an xray and see whats going on in there. She did feel there was cause for hope though, that she's seen things treated at that clinic where most vets would just pts so fingers crossed and I'll speak to them again in the morning.
    On one hand Im kicking myself for not just taking him in earlier, but then at least I was whit him at the exact moment it happened in order to deal with it.

    Fingers crossed for my little birdy, he looked so small sitting there in his carrier

    I'll post an update tomorrow morning once Ive had a chat with them.
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    25-12-2012 5:51 PM
    Sending healing thoughts and blessings, hope Raiden is ok! Xx
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    26-12-2012 3:55 AM

    Terrible news
    Raiden passed away during the night. I just spoke to the vet and it seems like it may have been internal damage to his airsac and the blood was being coughed up from there.

    My poor boy, I was only trying to keep him separate from the kitchen and was slipping quickly through before he noticed but he was so desperate to get in there he tried to dash through the closing door at the last moment, I didnt even hear him coming.
    It was still my hand closing it though, I feel awful

    Oh my head is spinning, I dont know what to think, my poor little wingman Im so sorry.

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    26-12-2012 4:15 AM
    Doug, I'm so sorry. We have all made mistakes, most of us have been lucky that the mistakes we made didn't have horrible consequences, but there but for the grace of God go all of us. Poor Raiden, poor you.
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    26-12-2012 4:49 AM
    Fly free Raiden, so sorry for your loss x
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    26-12-2012 4:56 AM
    Doug, I don't usually respond to postings such as yours but your situation has moved me to do so, reading yesterday about you and Raiden was very sad as I was putting mine to bed my thoughts were with you and I had to hope and check this morning, as Doddie says all of us make mistakes, sometimes with consequences we never dreamed of and suddenly our world is shattered, we always blame ourselves but our creatures, parrots, dogs cats whatever, never do, they accept us for what we are and what we do, they never judge us because we do our very best for them, we are not super human, so grieve for Raiden but try not beat yourself up about it, hard I know but it's no ones fault.

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    26-12-2012 5:23 AM

    My heart goes out to you, what a tragic accident.  It couild easily so happen to any of us and that this should happen on christmas day makes it extra specially heartbreaking.

     

    Nothing anyone can say will take away the pain right now, but don't torment yourself, you loved Raiden, it was a pure accident.

     

    Fly free little man.

     

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    26-12-2012 5:32 AM
    So sorry for your loss Doug. I have to say that I expected it after your second post, but everyone is right. You acted on a reflex, it was a pure accident, and even with the benefit of hindsight you probably wouldn't have done anything different. It was just timing. You did you best for him yesterday and had only his best interests at heart in the longer term.

    As everyone says, don't beat yourself up. Maybe in time, when you are ready, your experience of the relationship you were trying to build with Raiden can be put to use with another little soul who needs a second chance. Hang on in there.
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    26-12-2012 6:49 AM
    So sorry to hear this very sad news.
    I can only echo what everyone else has said. it was a terrible and tragic accident.
    Accidents happen and we can beat ourselves up about what we did or didnt do, but the main thing to remember is it WAS an ACCIDENT.
    You loved Raiden and you will feel his loss for a long time to come, and as Sharon says, One day you may feel strong enough to able to help another little soul.
    We have all made mistakes,and have learned things along the way that will help us in the future.
    Fly free and happy Raiden, god bless x
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    26-12-2012 6:56 AM
    Aw, poor baby

    So very sorry at this outcome.
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    26-12-2012 10:45 AM

    Thank you everybody for the supportive comments and advice throughout this, you really are a lovely bunch

    The past 24 hrs has been awfull, Ive been a mess today and have gone over and over it. 3 things have become aparent:

    1. I was trying to slip quickly into the kitchen unnoticed.

    2. Raiden was probably full of hormones and determination to get into the kitchen at any opportunity.

    3. I can see most of the lounge from the kitchen, but I cannot see his cage without sticking my head out.

    It seems to me it happened like this, I have slipped through the doorway, looked back and not seen him as I closed the door over. He has noticed me go through and rather than his usual controlled leisurely flight around the lounge, he has made a direct charge toawrds the gap.

    Due to a lack of line of sight between me and his cage and that being the line that he must have flown, I have not seen him coming and he has not seen the door closing over until it was too late for us both.

    I have to ask myself if I was too focussed on controlling his movement into the kitchen and not enough on the risks of how hard he would try to get in. I think perhaps I was  I should have been more aware of the developing risk the past few days, that is entirely my failure as his keeper.

    Worse still, it could have been prevented by simply putting up a net cutain over the doorway - I did this with the rats room to ensure he never gets access in the event of an open door. I'm an engineer, I should have thought of that.

    I think Ive made sense of it with that, but in the end I just feel terrible and miss my little Raiden. Ive been complaining about his behaviour recently but he was often adoreably sweet and now the place feels silent and empty. Amazing how 100 grams of feathers and attitude can fill an entire house

    As you say, that it was xmas day makes it all the harder. He got to open his shower perch that I bought him and had his first munch of a nutriberry, but his other preening toys are still wrapped up under the tree, Im not sure what to do with them.

    Thank you all once again for your support. He has only been with me for 9 months, I didnt think I would be posting an obituary for another 15 or so years, but I will do so in a few days once Im more settled.

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    26-12-2012 11:09 AM
    So sad to see this but do try NOT to beat yourself up.  As others have said we have all made mistakes of some kind or another with our pets/children/life however no matter what everyone says I know you will keep going over and over things and saying "if only".  You gave this wee bird a chance at a good life.  I hope that at some point you will feel able to give another wee bird such a chance.  Well done for trying your best to save him. Take care of yourself.
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    26-12-2012 12:19 PM
    I can only echo everyone's sadness at his loss, but it really isn't your fault. Fly free little Raiden over Rainbow Bridge x
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