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Last Post 10-08-2013 6:32 AM by  Di
biting and squawking out of control
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11-07-2013 1:24 PM

    Hi

    I am new to this site, I'm looking for some help and advice, I took in an amazon parrot over 2 years ago now, not knowing anything about them we have just spoilt him I think. He has always been a squawker and has never liked my daughter, I have never been able to have him out if she is in the same room, he will attack her, but he has also now started attacking me for no reason and biting which is quite vicious, he can be so loving and then just change and I have had some nasty bites of him, it has been 2 weeks now since I have had him out of his cage as I am afraid to let him out, I don't think this is fair to him at all but don't know what to do about it as I have lost all confidence with him. It would break my heart to have to give him up as I love him to bits but at the same time its also not fair to us as a family as his squawking is also unbearable a lot of the time......................Please can anyone help me?

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    11-07-2013 1:37 PM
    Hi Donna,

    Welcome to the site. I am not an expert parrot carer and have no specific Amazon expereince btu I think it would help the more knowledgeable members of the site to give you some advice if we have more information, so please forgive me but I'm going to ask a series of questions.

    You say you have had your baby for 2 years but do you know how old he/she is?
    Was he/she hand or parent-reared?
    Could you handle your bird confidently and safely before the last two weeks? And if so, has anything else changed (home, diet, people)?
    Is he/she well in themselves? Could the aggression suggest an underlying illness or injury?

    I'm sure someone here will be able to give some helpful advice.
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    11-07-2013 2:31 PM

    Hello

    We think hes about 7 or 8, not sure if male or female but the person who had him b4 me thought says female, I don't know anything about his history I'm afraid.

    I could handle him before this, he would sit on my shoulder, on my head preening my hair, quite loving really, he has given the odd nasty nip if in a mood but nothing like this, nothing has changed recently, he is in the kitchen/dining room, rather than lounge as this is where we spend most of our time but hes been out there about 6 months now.

     I don't think hes ill, its just like as if he gets into a mood, starts chewing the door linings etc , but I think the longer hes locked in the worse hes going to get, and I'm too scared to let him out. its like having a naughty teenager.

    Thanks so much for your reply.

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    11-07-2013 2:54 PM
    What county are you in, Donna? It would be worth considering a wing clip to remove some of the aggression. At least he would be able to come out of the cage ... Imprisoning him in the cage is not the answer - he will just be noisier and noisier, and nastier as time goes on. Try camomile tea with a little honey in it as a calmant, and think seriously about a clip. Send me a pm if you want to ask any questions about that.
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    11-07-2013 3:39 PM
    Hi Doddie

    I'm in south wales, I will definitely try the camomile tea, not sure about the clip though that's sounds a little cruel if he won't be able to fly?
    But I have now realised how ignorant I have been about billys needs and I feel awful about it, I have been reading the forums about diet etc and I am embarrassed to say that his diet is awful, he eats very little bird food, he has monkey nuts by the handful, which I now realise could contain a mould which can be fatal to him, also pistachio nuts and any human food that we have. because we were told he eats anything when we took him in.
    I wish I had joined this site from the beginning so that I knew how to properly care for him.
    I am so ashamed of my ignorance and it looks as though I have been slowly killing him over the last 2 years.
    I will definitely be changing things. I cant believe I have been so stupid.

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    11-07-2013 5:49 PM
    Donna,

    Don't shoot yourself over your previous lack of knowledge. At least now you have found some help and advice, from people who care about parrots. What's sad is that you were given wrong advice when you took him on. Don't change everything that you're doing with your bird overnight, introduce changes gradually and remember taht you are making changes to improve his/her life. There will always be help available on the forum.

    And there are pros and cons with wing clipping. Not all parrot carers approve but wing clipping does have its place and Doddie has a lot of experience with birds. Our two boys are clipped, live very happy (and mischievous) lives and are safer with a clip (no risk of escape, less aggression and better interaction with the humans in the flock. Best of all, a Birdline clip only lasts 6 months so does not permanently affect the bird's flight.
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    12-07-2013 2:27 AM
    A Birdline wing clip means the bird can still fly and glide, just not gain height. If the bird falls from it's cage, it doesn't land like a brick. My cockatoo flew a very good distance when I was walking the dog, to see other dogs. She flew at my waist level to go say 'hallo'. It's like having a haircut - no pain whatsoever.
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    12-07-2013 2:44 AM
    Hi Donna,
    From what you have said so far, I would start by ditching the monkey nuts. The actual nut isnt the problem it is the shell. In mixes such as Tidymix the nuts have already been shelled.
    I would also advise you to move him out of the kitchen dineras soon as possible. Kitchens are dangerous places for birds. Not only because of hot water and pans etc, but because of cooking fumes. These can be extremely toxic to birds especially if cookware contains any hint of teflon.
    Keeping him confined to the cage will actually only make matters worse as he will only become more and more frustrated and the aggression could increase. Wing clipping can be a controversial subject,and is not for everyone. It should only be done by an authourised Bl wing clipper if its a Bl bird, but sometimes it can help especially if a bird is actually flying to attack you and it is stopping it having the neccessary time out of the cage. Do try the camomile tea as suggested, it is a natural calmer, and can be useful.I use it especially when mine are hormonal.Start with a few changes and see how it goes.Let us know how you get on.Good luck.
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    13-07-2013 6:54 PM
    Hi All
    Thanks all very much for your kind replies and support, I have made some small changes, brought her into the lounge from the kitchen, added more fruit to her diet and changed the monkeys nuts to unshelled, also got some fresh herbs for her she really loves them, I will definitely try the camomile tea, would this be instead of water or in addition to? my local pet shop owner said to also put a few drops of cider vinegar in her water??? I still haven't let her out as yet because she has been outside most of the time and when indoors all the windows and doors have been open due to the heat wave were having.
    I know its only been 1 day in but she already seems happier, shes definitely been quieter today.

    Thanks again from
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    14-07-2013 2:44 AM
    Camomile tea instead of water, not hot, with a dash of honey if she likes sweet things rather than savoury. If she's quieter, then try the tea for a couple/three days, or leave it until she becomes noisier. What kind of Amazon is she? I have an Orange Winged Ammie here, she loves roasted pistachio nuts (without the salt!) and some of my birds prefer walnuts in the shell. It's only the monkey nuts that are dangerous. Peanuts in general are not a good idea, even without the shell. Something in them inhibits the absorbtion of certain vitamins for some reason. The seed mix should have a maximum of 10% - 15% sunflower seeds in it, no more than that. Less is best. There are a number of good seed mixes available, most of which are not stocked by your local pet shops, sadly, so look online, see what you can find. If you Google Rob Harvey, and look at the pic of his Parrot Premium Plus, that's the kind of percentage of sunflower seeds there should be, and you can see what it looks like. You can buy from him, or get Avian Specific 20 (AS20) from Scarlettsessentials. Once you've seen what a good mix looks like, you can search for similar. Tidymix is a good one, although not all birds are happy with it. Trial and error, sadly. And I agree with Anne, no point in beating yourself up about not knowing. We all started off not knowing, and we learned as we went along. Please, please let the bird out. If you go for a clip it will prevent aggression flying, and will enable you to leave windows open in the heat.
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    14-07-2013 4:16 AM
    Also bear in mind that the days are long at the moment Donna and if your bird is not covered, it will not get the amount of sleep it needs and bad behaviour will be magnified. It is recommended that the birds get about 12 hours sleep, and some of us increase that to 13 to make them think the mating season is over and trick their body clock into reducing the hormone levels.

    I know many people do not agree with clipping, but I don't think it is reasonable for anybody to try to live with a flighted bird that is attacking family members. So I would echo what Doddie says, and if it means the bird can spend more time out of it's cage then that should help everyone. Well done on the changes you have made so far, it will all help his/her longer term wellbeing.

    Cider vinegar is used as a conditioner for chickens, I've not heard of it being used for parrots, but maybe others have.
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    10-08-2013 6:32 AM
    Donna

    Where are you roughly in South Wales as I am near Lampeter in the West of Wales and I have a fostered ammie?

    Di
    Every animal is entitled to live their lives having had sunshine, fresh air, and lots of love, time and attention. Didsey
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